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guenther at rudersport

Oct 8, 2008, 9:53 AM

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German for the backscatter-plagued (was: an OT thread)

On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:39 +0200, mouss wrote:
> Karsten BrÃ¤ckelmann wrote:

> > Suffering from a backscatter wave,
>
> same here, started yesterday.

Yeah, pretty much so. *sigh*

> > and haven't even got sufficient
> > caffeine. "Your email was quarantined due to an unauthorized Cyrillic
> > Language Character Set". Yeah, right...
>
> I am learning foreign languages. it would be nice if backscatterers
> change the bounce text so that I learn more :-{
>
> "DIES IST NUR EINE WARNUNG."

It's German, "This is a warning only." Uppercase yelling style. ;)

I guess the mail has been deferred for a couple hours, and you'll get
another bounce with German text in a few days.

--
char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}

linux4michelle at tamay-dogan

Oct 11, 2008, 7:13 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued (was: an OT thread) [In reply to]

Hi *;

Am 2008-10-08 18:53:00, schrieb Karsten Bräckelmann:
> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:39 +0200, mouss wrote:
> > I am learning foreign languages. it would be nice if backscatterers
> > change the bounce text so that I learn more :-{
> >
> > "DIES IST NUR EINE WARNUNG."

I send such crap directly back if they come from unknown hosts.

> It's German, "This is a warning only." Uppercase yelling style. ;)
>
> I guess the mail has been deferred for a couple hours, and you'll get
> another bounce with German text in a few days.

----[ STDIN ]-----------------------------------------------------------
:0
* $ ! grep "$DOMAIN" ~/.tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.white
* ^To:.*(linux4michelle|michelle\.konzack|erotic4michelle)@freenet\.de
* ^From:.*(MAILER-DAEMON|postmaster)
* ! ^From:.*pinguin-hosting\.de
* ! ^From:.*tamay-dogan\.net
{
TMP_FROM=`formail -czx To:`
TMP_TO=`formail -r -t -czx To: |sed 's|.*@|@|'`
:0
* ! ^X-Loop:.*NET_backscatter
{
:0fw
| (formail -I "Return-Path:" -r -t -k \
-a "Message-ID:" \
-I "Return-Path: <>" \
-I "From: ${TMP_FROM}" \
-I "To: abuse${TMP_TO}, postmaster${TMP_TO}" \
-I "Date: `date --rfc-822`" \
-I "User-Agent: tdtools-procmail v2.0.0" \
-I "Mime-Version: 1.0" \
-I "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii" \
-I "Content-Disposition: inline" \
-A "X-Loop: NET_backscatter" |tdmimepacker --msg=~/tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.txt)
:0c
|sendmail -t
}
:0
.ATTENTION.FLT_backscatter/
}
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

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Oct 13, 2008, 9:57 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Michelle Konzack a écrit :
> Hi *;
>
> Am 2008-10-08 18:53:00, schrieb Karsten Bräckelmann:
>
>> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:39 +0200, mouss wrote:
>>
>>> I am learning foreign languages. it would be nice if backscatterers
>>> change the bounce text so that I learn more :-{
>>>
>>> "DIES IST NUR EINE WARNUNG."
>>>
>
> I send such crap directly back if they come from unknown hosts.
>
>
>> It's German, "This is a warning only." Uppercase yelling style. ;)
>>
>> I guess the mail has been deferred for a couple hours, and you'll get
>> another bounce with German text in a few days.
>>
>
> ----[ STDIN ]-----------------------------------------------------------
> :0
> * $ ! grep "$DOMAIN" ~/.tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.white
> * ^To:.*(linux4michelle|michelle\.konzack|erotic4michelle)@freenet\.de
> * ^From:.*(MAILER-DAEMON|postmaster)
> * ! ^From:.*pinguin-hosting\.de
> * ! ^From:.*tamay-dogan\.net
> {
> TMP_FROM=`formail -czx To:`
> TMP_TO=`formail -r -t -czx To: |sed 's|.*@|@|'`
> :0
> * ! ^X-Loop:.*NET_backscatter
> {
> :0fw
> | (formail -I "Return-Path:" -r -t -k \
> -a "Message-ID:" \
> -I "Return-Path: <>" \
> -I "From: ${TMP_FROM}" \
> -I "To: abuse${TMP_TO}, postmaster${TMP_TO}" \
> -I "Date: `date --rfc-822`" \
> -I "User-Agent: tdtools-procmail v2.0.0" \
> -I "Mime-Version: 1.0" \
> -I "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii" \
> -I "Content-Disposition: inline" \
> -A "X-Loop: NET_backscatter" |tdmimepacker --msg=~/tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.txt)
> :0c
> |sendmail -t
> }
> :0
> .ATTENTION.FLT_backscatter/
> }
>

that's bad. you're contributing to backscatter. if you don't reject at
smtp time, don't bounce (unless you really know the domain you bounce
was "involved").

linux4michelle at tamay-dogan

Oct 15, 2008, 2:32 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Am 2008-10-13 18:57:09, schrieb mouss:
> that's bad. you're contributing to backscatter. if you don't reject at
> smtp time, don't bounce (unless you really know the domain you bounce
> was "involved").

The Messahes are checked and definitively coming from those domains.

I am on GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS and have currently over 63.000 (2008-10-15
11:25:37 CET) in my mailbox and can not more read my business mail.

GoogleMail has already contacted my by Telephone...

Now <googlemail> and <earthlink.net> has stoped bothering me wit several
1000 backscatter per day...

For the others I am waiting...

I pay 0.10 Euro/MByte and my current damage (since Friday last week) is
already over 3000 Euro because I was not @home and my Intranet Server
has tried to download my regular mail...

Which are around 500 MByte per month which cost 35 Euro/month.

If they do not stop, I DoS there servers... And IF they sue me, I have
all currently 86.000 backscatters they send to me archived and backed-up

IF they want to sue me, they must come to Europe and then I am able to
hit them, because they have DoS'ed my Server/Mailboxes.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

--
Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant #####################
Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886
+49/177/9351947 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi
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Oct 15, 2008, 2:36 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK?

I have NOT REQUESTED A Carbon Copy.

Peoples sending me hundreds of unneeded CCs (over 2 MB per day) making
me very angry since this list IS SUBSCRIBER ONLY and I get the messages
IF I WRITE HERE!

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

--
Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant #####################
Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886
+49/177/9351947 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi
+33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com)

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mouss at netoyen

Oct 15, 2008, 8:03 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Michelle Konzack a écrit :
> DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN

When did I CC you?

# grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.3
# grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.2
# grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.1
# grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.0

but you did CC me:

# grep -i "michelle" /var/log/maillog
...
Oct 15 16:33:28 imlil postmx/smtpd[71828]: NOQUEUE: warn: RCPT from
server4.pinguin-hosting.de[88.198.11.108]: Transaction logged:
PTR=server4.pinguin-hosting.de; from=<linux4michelle[at]tamay-dogan.net>
to=<mouss[at]netoyen.net> proto=ESMTP helo=<server4.pinguin-hosting.de>
Oct 15 16:33:28 imlil postfix/qmgr[48086]: 86596E5482C:
from=<linux4michelle[at]tamay-dogan.net>, size=3304, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 16:33:29 imlil postfix/qmgr[48086]: 2EF57E54833:
from=<linux4michelle[at]tamay-dogan.net>, size=3692, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 16:33:29 imlil amavis[71945]: (71945-09) Passed CLEAN,
[88.198.11.108] [194.250.145.134] <linux4michelle[at]tamay-dogan.net> ->
<mouss[at]netoyen.net>, Message-ID:
<20081015093632.GP5301[at]tamay-dogan.net>, mail_id: Coh61o6T84D7, Hits:
-1.571, size: 3301, queued_as: 2EF57E54833, Tests:
[AWL=-1.589,COUNTRY_DE=0.01,COUNTRY_FR=0.01,SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001,SPF_PASS=-0.001],
autolearn=unavailable, 615 ms

> or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK?

Michelle, What did you eat at lunch?

>
> I have NOT REQUESTED A Carbon Copy.
>
> Peoples sending me hundreds of unneeded CCs (over 2 MB per day) making
> me very angry since this list IS SUBSCRIBER ONLY and I get the messages
> IF I WRITE HERE!
>

First of all, I didn't CC you. Second, CC isn't all evil. different
people have different preferences. so please do not try to impose your
own. If you check the archives, you'll find that knowledgeable members
do Cc.

me at junc

Oct 15, 2008, 8:43 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:32, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> I pay 0.10 Euro/MByte and my current damage (since Friday last week) is
> already over 3000 Euro because I was not @home and my Intranet Server
> has tried to download my regular mail...

so is life when the postman newer got paid, block the sender ip and make a
webpage that say it will be unblocked if you got paid to transfer there
spam

why should internet be so diffrent then the snail mail ?

--
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me at junc

Oct 15, 2008, 8:46 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:36, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK?

why did you self send this msg cc ? :(

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me at junc

Oct 15, 2008, 8:48 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:03, mouss wrote:
> you'll find that knowledgeable members do Cc.

lies

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mouss at netoyen

Oct 15, 2008, 8:53 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Benny Pedersen a écrit :
> On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:32, Michelle Konzack wrote:
>
>> I pay 0.10 Euro/MByte and my current damage (since Friday last week) is
>> already over 3000 Euro because I was not @home and my Intranet Server
>> has tried to download my regular mail...
>
> so is life when the postman newer got paid, block the sender ip and make a
> webpage that say it will be unblocked if you got paid to transfer there
> spam

if it's a big ISP, they simply won't care.

Most phishes I see here come via orange.fr. Last time I contacted them
(after a backscatter storm), I got a mail telling me how to install
Norton AV. sigh. well, now at least they don't scatter (apparently, they
discard if mail is undeliverable, as I've seen some orange customers
complain about lost mail! sigh^2).

>
> why should internet be so diffrent then the snail mail ?

oh no. if "they" hear you, we'll have as much snail mail spam and phone
spam! BTW I do get a lot more phone spam now.

me at junc

Oct 15, 2008, 9:05 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:53, mouss wrote:
> Benny Pedersen a écrit :
>> why should internet be so diffrent then the snail mail ?
> oh no. if "they" hear you, we'll have as much snail mail spam and phone
> spam! BTW I do get a lot more phone spam now.

you paid there call ? :)

all free services is easy to abuse, but when the spammers need to paid,
thay think another time will i get my money back :)

--
Benny Pedersen
Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

mouss at netoyen

Oct 15, 2008, 9:05 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Benny Pedersen a écrit :
> On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:03, mouss wrote:
>> you'll find that knowledgeable members do Cc.
>
> lies
>

Don't trust my words. check the archives:

- SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ...
- postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postfix)
- dovecot: Timo (yes, the author of dovecot)
- take a look at the ietf-smtp archives. some names? John Klensin, Dave
Crocker, keith Moore, ... do these names look familiar to you? If not,
time to read some RFCs.

so you think all these people are wrong and you're right?

Let's please avoid yet another useless thread. Go on if you want to have
the last word. But let's stop after that.

mouss at netoyen

Oct 15, 2008, 9:15 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Benny Pedersen a écrit :
> On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:53, mouss wrote:
>> Benny Pedersen a écrit :
>>> why should internet be so diffrent then the snail mail ?
>> oh no. if "they" hear you, we'll have as much snail mail spam and phone
>> spam! BTW I do get a lot more phone spam now.
>
> you paid there call ? :)

no, but it's very annoying. and sometimes, they wake up the kids...

>
> all free services is easy to abuse, but when the spammers need to paid,
> thay think another time will i get my money back :)
>

while they can't spam the whole world, they have a budget to get enough
"units" (calls or snail mail) to spam us. sure, I don't get called from
foreign countries, but if every marketer in Paris calls me, they'll
saturate my line and my nerves.

I do understand that internet spam is cheap and easy. but I don't take
that road. I don't want their spam, whether they pay or not.

me at junc

Oct 15, 2008, 9:35 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

On Wed, October 15, 2008 18:05, mouss wrote:

> Don't trust my words. check the archives:
>
> - SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ...
> - postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postfix)
> - dovecot: Timo (yes, the author of dovecot)
> - take a look at the ietf-smtp archives. some names? John Klensin, Dave
> Crocker, keith Moore, ... do these names look familiar to you? If not,
> time to read some RFCs.

cc is okay as long the mail is NOT posted to maillist aswell !

but thanks for the list of knowledgeable :)

> so you think all these people are wrong and you're right?

aslong thay DONT pay for my internet connection yes

> Let's please avoid yet another useless thread. Go on if you want to have
> the last word. But let's stop after that.

maybe i have made my self clear this time ?

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mouss at netoyen

Oct 15, 2008, 1:01 PM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Michelle Konzack a écrit :
> DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK?

you may need to fix your system. it's apparently resending the same
message again.

and again, I did not CC you. OK?

>
> I have NOT REQUESTED A Carbon Copy.
>
> Peoples sending me hundreds of unneeded CCs (over 2 MB per day) making
> me very angry since this list IS SUBSCRIBER ONLY and I get the messages
> IF I WRITE HERE!
>
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
> Systemadministrator
> 24V Electronic Engineer
> Tamay Dogan Network
> Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
>
>

linux4michelle at tamay-dogan

Oct 15, 2008, 3:28 PM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Am 2008-10-15 17:53:01, schrieb mouss:
> if it's a big ISP, they simply won't care.

FullACK. You can only save ANY spam you get from them, then write a
letter and ask for damages. If they do not stop within e.g. 14 days,
you DoS them and let them know that it was YOU.

If they now sue you, you present your Invoice with all preuve and you
win. -- At least in France and Germany.

Please note, that currently I can not more work, since all of my 17
business accounts are DoS'ed I have damages of more then 1000 Euro/day.

> Most phishes I see here come via orange.fr. Last time I contacted them
> (after a backscatter storm), I got a mail telling me how to install
> Norton AV. sigh. well, now at least they don't scatter (apparently, they
> discard if mail is undeliverable, as I've seen some orange customers
> complain about lost mail! sigh^2).

How many do you get?

I have around 18.000 maybe and I am sueing the customers of "Orange"
which works quiet well, because you can compare the Computer with a car
which had no "TÜV" (german techical control) and you mad an accident.

You are coupable and must pay for damages...

I have done this now several times with success in Germany and France

> oh no. if "they" hear you, we'll have as much snail mail spam and phone
> spam! BTW I do get a lot more phone spam now.

I get SMS spam daily...

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

--
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##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant #####################
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+49/177/9351947 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi
+33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com)

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Oct 15, 2008, 3:33 PM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Am 2008-10-15 17:46:00, schrieb Benny Pedersen:
>
> On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:36, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK?
>
> why did you self send this msg cc ? :(

Because I want to be sur HE get the message!!!!!!!!!!!!

Normaly I get per day 50-120 mesages on my account which I read over
"iMode" and my "Nokia 6120 classic", but unfortunately I get per day
nearly 100 useles CarbonCopies and now 28.000 backscatters plus regular
spam of 3-6000.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

--
Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant #####################
Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886
+49/177/9351947 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi
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Oct 15, 2008, 3:38 PM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Benny Pedersen wrote:
> On Wed, October 15, 2008 18:05, mouss wrote:
>
>
>> Don't trust my words. check the archives:
>>
>> - SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ...
>> - postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postfix)
>> - dovecot: Timo (yes, the author of dovecot)
>> - take a look at the ietf-smtp archives. some names? John Klensin, Dave
>> Crocker, keith Moore, ... do these names look familiar to you? If not,
>> time to read some RFCs.
>>
>
> cc is okay as long the mail is NOT posted to maillist aswell !
>
> but thanks for the list of knowledgeable :)

Create a Reply-To: header when posting if you want a different behavior.

me at junc

Oct 15, 2008, 4:28 PM

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On Thu, October 16, 2008 00:38, Matt Kettler wrote:
> Create a Reply-To: header when posting if you want a different behavior.

dont suggest that :)

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mkettler_sa at verizon

Oct 15, 2008, 6:02 PM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Benny Pedersen wrote:
> On Thu, October 16, 2008 00:38, Matt Kettler wrote:
>
>> Create a Reply-To: header when posting if you want a different behavior.
>>
>
> dont suggest that :)
>
>
Why, it's the proper, RFC compliant way to do it. (and mind you, the
document out on the web is "Reply-To *MUNGING* considered harmful",
which has no problem to do with proper, client originated Reply-To
generation)

mkettler_sa at verizon

Oct 15, 2008, 6:10 PM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Benny Pedersen wrote:
> On Thu, October 16, 2008 00:38, Matt Kettler wrote:
>
>> Create a Reply-To: header when posting if you want a different behavior.
>>
>
> dont suggest that :)
>
>
Smarta..

:-)

jm at jmason

Oct 16, 2008, 2:16 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

mouss writes:
> Benny Pedersen a écrit :
> > On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:03, mouss wrote:
> >> you'll find that knowledgeable members do Cc.
> > lies
>
> Don't trust my words. check the archives:
>
> - SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ...
> - postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postfix)
> - dovecot: Timo (yes, the author of dovecot)
> - take a look at the ietf-smtp archives. some names? John Klensin, Dave
> Crocker, keith Moore, ... do these names look familiar to you? If not,
> time to read some RFCs.
>
> so you think all these people are wrong and you're right?
>
> Let's please avoid yet another useless thread. Go on if you want to have
> the last word. But let's stop after that.

+1. This is not a useful topic for this forum. Please drop it.

--j.

me at junc

Oct 16, 2008, 8:07 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

On Thu, October 16, 2008 11:16, Justin Mason wrote:
> +1. This is not a useful topic for this forum. Please drop it.

drop sending cc when you olso post on maillist

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mkettler_sa at verizon

Oct 16, 2008, 7:39 PM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

+1 for dropping this thread.

However, as a SpamAssassin Project Management Committee (PMC) member I
do feel a short statement about the policies of this list is needed here.

CC + post is the normal commonly accepted format for this list, and is
the manner in which most members of the SpamAssassin PMC, myself
included, conduct themselves when posting. Please also respect that
this is the SpamAssassin list, not your list. Do not attempt to dictate
posting rules here. If you don't like how the list operates, please
bring it up with the PMC (pmc[at]spamassassin.apache.org), but bear in
mind, it is our list to operate as we choose, and you will need to make
a compelling argument here.

I also feel quite strongly that threats of attack on members of the list
are not appropriate. Please do not post further threats of attack to the
list, or engage in threatening behavior in off-list replies.

Michelle Konzack wrote:
> DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK?
>
> I have NOT REQUESTED A Carbon Copy.
>
> Peoples sending me hundreds of unneeded CCs (over 2 MB per day) making
> me very angry since this list IS SUBSCRIBER ONLY and I get the messages
> IF I WRITE HERE!
>
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
> Systemadministrator
> 24V Electronic Engineer
> Tamay Dogan Network
> Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
>
>
>

linux4michelle at tamay-dogan

Oct 19, 2008, 4:16 AM

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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued [In reply to]

Am 2008-10-16 17:07:26, schrieb Benny Pedersen:
>
> On Thu, October 16, 2008 11:16, Justin Mason wrote:
> > +1. This is not a useful topic for this forum. Please drop it.
>
> drop sending cc when you olso post on maillist

FullACK!

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

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