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innocentkiller at gmail

Aug 22, 2008, 5:24 AM

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Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true)

Just wanted to let the wider community (who don't
necessarily follow wikitech-l) know about this.

-Chad

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Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:14 AM
Subject: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true
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$wgCentralAuthAutoNew is now enabled, which means new accounts created in
the usual way automatically become global accounts, they don't need to
manually merge.

-- Tim Starling

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sterkebak at gmail

Aug 22, 2008, 5:38 AM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's? Is
there global blocking?

2008/8/22, Chad <innocentkiller[at]gmail.com>:
> Just wanted to let the wider community (who don't
> necessarily follow wikitech-l) know about this.
>
> -Chad
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> Date: Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:14 AM
> Subject: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true
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>
> $wgCentralAuthAutoNew is now enabled, which means new accounts created in
> the usual way automatically become global accounts, they don't need to
> manually merge.
>
> -- Tim Starling
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matthew.flaschen at gatech

Aug 22, 2008, 6:43 AM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

Huib Laurens wrote:
> So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's? Is
> there global blocking?

Yes. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocking

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cbrown1023.ml at gmail

Aug 22, 2008, 7:18 AM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Matthew Flaschen
<matthew.flaschen[at]gatech.edu> wrote:
> Huib Laurens wrote:
>> So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's? Is
>> there global blocking?
>
> Yes. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocking
>

Global blocking only works for IP addresses at this time (it was
designed specifically that way).

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jhsoby at gmail

Aug 22, 2008, 7:39 AM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

For global accounts, we have global "locking", which does pretty much the
same thing.

2008/8/22 Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml[at]gmail.com>

> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Matthew Flaschen
> <matthew.flaschen[at]gatech.edu> wrote:
> > Huib Laurens wrote:
> >> So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's? Is
> >> there global blocking?
> >
> > Yes. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocking
> >
>
> Global blocking only works for IP addresses at this time (it was
> designed specifically that way).
>
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vacuum at jeb

Aug 22, 2008, 7:41 AM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

Although this may solve some problems at the larger communities, it might create a problem at smaller communities. Previously trolls could be detected because they was editing as anonymous, now they will be more likely to operate as logged in users.

If this shall be of real benefit somehow the smaller communities should be able to report a global user as troublesome. Turned around this could also lead to a small community blacklisting an otherwise good contributor.

All in all, I think it has to be carefully considered wetter it is necessary to make some special tools to deal with global trolls.

One simple measure could be to mark a global user as troll, and then lower the threshold to belove an autoconfirmed user. Such a mark should be visible in recent changes. This will somewhat limit the troll. A steward could then lift this global "ban" if a community has misplaced the mark, or a local admin in another project could remove the mark locally.

John

>On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Matthew Flaschen
><matthew.flaschen[at]gatech.edu> wrote:
>> Huib Laurens wrote:
>>> So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's? Is
>>> there global blocking?
>>
>> Yes. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocking
>>
>
>Global blocking only works for IP addresses at this time (it was
>designed specifically that way).
>
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matthew.flaschen at gatech

Aug 23, 2008, 1:09 PM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

Casey Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Matthew Flaschen
> <matthew.flaschen[at]gatech.edu> wrote:
>> Huib Laurens wrote:
>>> So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's? Is
>>> there global blocking?
>> Yes. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocking
>>
>
> Global blocking only works for IP addresses at this time (it was
> designed specifically that way).

My mistake. However, it's still possible to run a checkuser then do a
global block on IP's that come up.

Matt Flaschen

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lunasantin at gmail

Aug 23, 2008, 3:04 PM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:41 AM, <vacuum[at]jeb.no> wrote:

> Although this may solve some problems at the larger communities, it might
> create a problem at smaller communities. Previously trolls could be detected
> because they was editing as anonymous, now they will be more likely to
> operate as logged in users.
>

On the whole, it does make things easier across the board, both for
legitimate users and trolls. Holes in the net at one wiki are suddenly holes
in the net for everyone. Small and large wikis alike need to watch out for
this. If you're not already, it may be handy to watch edits from new
accounts at [[Special:Contributions/newbies]].

If this shall be of real benefit somehow the smaller communities should be
> able to report a global user as troublesome. Turned around this could also
> lead to a small community blacklisting an otherwise good contributor.
>

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/SUL_requests#Requests_for_locking_global_accounts

Could perhaps be expanded, but there is such a mechanism in place.
Ultimately, improved communication between wikis is probably always going to
be a net benefit. If all else fails, there's always [[m:metapub]].

Just some quick thoughts,
-Luna
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Aug 23, 2008, 3:17 PM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's?

No, there's no need for them to make an account first.
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aphaia at gmail

Sep 11, 2008, 2:39 PM

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Re: Autocreated global accounts (was: [Wikitech-l] $wgCentralAuthAutoNew=true) [In reply to]

Small wikis are now spammed with unacceptable usernames which contain
libelous messages. Is it an option to block the IP addresses behind
those vandals not to create an account anymore?

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Anthony <wikimail[at]inbox.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So a vandal has to make one account en can spam on all wiki's?
>
>
> No, there's no need for them to make an account first.
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