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a.appleyard at btinternet

Aug 31, 2008, 2:39 AM

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Moving pages

I am an administrator in the English Wikipedia. It would be useful if
these could be made possible:-
* When deleting some edits in a page, to directly select them and
delete them, instead of having to delete everything and then undelete
the rest.
* To move deleted edits. For example, earlier today I had to histmerge
[[WRYV]] into [[WXBW]]; they were about a radio station which changed
its callsign. But under the visible edits of [[WXBW]] there were
speedy-deleted edits about a small wrestling club called Wantagh Xtreme
Backyard Wrestling, and I had to get that irrelevantia out of the way
before I started the primary job. So I had to get the visible edits out
of the way to leave [[WXBW]] clear to undelete the wrestling edits;
then move them to [[Wantagh Xtreme Backyard Wrestling]], and then
re-delete them. In this case the wanted edits were all earlier than all
the wanted edits, and I needed to temporarily delete the wanted edits
anyway to move page [[WRYV]] in over them to histmerge. Sometimes it is
more complicated, and I must temporarily rename the wanted edits to
extract the junk edits from under them. It would have been easier if I
could move deleted edits while leaving them deleted.

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vasilvv at gmail

Aug 31, 2008, 2:55 AM

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Re: Moving pages [In reply to]

ANTHONY APPLEYARD wrote:
> I am an administrator in the English Wikipedia. It would be useful if
> these could be made possible:-
> * When deleting some edits in a page, to directly select them and
> delete them, instead of having to delete everything and then undelete
> the rest.
>
We have rev_deleted feature implemented, but it is not reviewed yet.
> * To move deleted edits. For example, earlier today I had to histmerge
> [[WRYV]] into [[WXBW]]; they were about a radio station which changed
> its callsign. But under the visible edits of [[WXBW]] there were
> speedy-deleted edits about a small wrestling club called Wantagh Xtreme
> Backyard Wrestling, and I had to get that irrelevantia out of the way
> before I started the primary job. So I had to get the visible edits out
> of the way to leave [[WXBW]] clear to undelete the wrestling edits;
> then move them to [[Wantagh Xtreme Backyard Wrestling]], and then
> re-delete them. In this case the wanted edits were all earlier than all
> the wanted edits, and I needed to temporarily delete the wanted edits
> anyway to move page [[WRYV]] in over them to histmerge. Sometimes it is
> more complicated, and I must temporarily rename the wanted edits to
> extract the junk edits from under them. It would have been easier if I
> could move deleted edits while leaving them deleted
For history merge, we already have Special:MergeHistory implemented, but
not reviewed yet :(
--vvv

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Aug 31, 2008, 3:19 PM

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Re: Moving pages [In reply to]

Victor Vasiliev wrote:
> ANTHONY APPLEYARD wrote:
>> I am an administrator in the English Wikipedia. It would be useful if
>> these could be made possible:-
>> * When deleting some edits in a page, to directly select them and
>> delete them, instead of having to delete everything and then undelete
>> the rest.
>>
> We have rev_deleted feature implemented, but it is not reviewed yet.

While waiting for rev_deleted, even an UI for the current deletion
system that allowed for selective deletion of revisions (rather than
only wholesale deletion followed by selective undeletion) would be useful.

Something like that has been on my personal "to do" list for quite some
time; who knows, maybe I'll even find the time to implement it before
rev_deleted goes live. (That one's only been implemented and "waiting
for more testing" for, what, two years now?)

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Ilmari Karonen

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mike.lifeguard at gmail

Sep 2, 2008, 8:36 AM

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Re: Moving pages [In reply to]

There is a script which handles this (and restores the page's original
protection levels in case your forget). One copy is at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Animum/revdelete.js

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Ilmari Karonen [mailto:nospam[at]vyznev.net]
Sent: August 31, 2008 7:19 PM
To: Wikimedia developers
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving pages

Victor Vasiliev wrote:
> ANTHONY APPLEYARD wrote:
>> I am an administrator in the English Wikipedia. It would be useful if
>> these could be made possible:-
>> * When deleting some edits in a page, to directly select them and
>> delete them, instead of having to delete everything and then undelete
>> the rest.
>>
> We have rev_deleted feature implemented, but it is not reviewed yet.

While waiting for rev_deleted, even an UI for the current deletion
system that allowed for selective deletion of revisions (rather than
only wholesale deletion followed by selective undeletion) would be useful.

Something like that has been on my personal "to do" list for quite some
time; who knows, maybe I'll even find the time to implement it before
rev_deleted goes live. (That one's only been implemented and "waiting
for more testing" for, what, two years now?)

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Sep 2, 2008, 9:47 AM

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Re: Moving pages [In reply to]

mike.lifeguard wrote:
> There is a script which handles this (and restores the page's original
> protection levels in case your forget). One copy is at
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Animum/revdelete.js

Nice to know. However, while the script certainly makes the whole
process easier for the admin doing it, it doesn't actually make it any
less laborious behind the scenes: it's still deleting all revisions of
the page only to immediately restore all but one of them.

Also, while seemingly well written for a JavaScript workaround, it's not
as robust as a server-side solution could be. I suspect all sorts of
unpleasant stuff may happen if you try it on a page with both a very
long edit history and lots of previously deleted revisions.

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mike.lifeguard at gmail

Sep 3, 2008, 8:30 AM

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Re: Moving pages [In reply to]

Absolutely. In fact, I've never used the script, but it does the job
according to others who have. But scripted solutions are generally inferior
to server-side code. I eagerly await implementation of "real" rev_deleted.
I've had it on my localhost wiki with no problems for some time, however, we
are waiting on formal code review, I think.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Ilmari Karonen [mailto:nospam[at]vyznev.net]
Sent: September 2, 2008 1:47 PM
To: Wikimedia developers
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving pages

mike.lifeguard wrote:
> There is a script which handles this (and restores the page's original
> protection levels in case your forget). One copy is at
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Animum/revdelete.js

Nice to know. However, while the script certainly makes the whole
process easier for the admin doing it, it doesn't actually make it any
less laborious behind the scenes: it's still deleting all revisions of
the page only to immediately restore all but one of them.

Also, while seemingly well written for a JavaScript workaround, it's not
as robust as a server-side solution could be. I suspect all sorts of
unpleasant stuff may happen if you try it on a page with both a very
long edit history and lots of previously deleted revisions.

--
Ilmari Karonen

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